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Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Sat 23, 2016 9:44 am

The aim is to disarm us. This new ploy by the A.G. is just step one.

The Second Ammendment was expressly intended to help private citizens of this country fight off the threat of oppressive government. At the time of its creation that threat was from over seas. Today it comes from within. Whatever its scource tyranny is still tyranny. The founding fathers made no distinction.

Regardless of what they tell us initially those, like Maura Healy, who perpetuate this threat will eventually send our own police to the private homes of Massachusetts citizens armed with the same type of firearms they seek to take from us. At first they will seek AR 15s and AK 47s. Next year it will be all magazine fed firearms including hand guns. Again, the final goal is to disarm us - entirely.

It is only basic common sense you cannot defend your rights against those armed with M16s and M4s with shotguns, hunting rifles, and bow and arrows. By rights this ban would legally have to apply to our police as well as ourselves. Their badges do not give them special rights. Police should remember their sworn oaths. Please also remember it is government who serves the people in a free, peaceful, and civil society.

It should be obvious, to anyone with half a brain left, that this newest edict issued by the Attorney General is not just forced and twisted in logic it is also in direct conflict with the basic legal document of the land, our Constitution, and could then be seen as treason. More likely though it is just the ploy of a very ambitious Attorney General being led down the garden path by some very smooth party operators on the federal level. Attorney General Maura Healy should back off and think this thing through or run the risk of standing trial for treason when Hillary goes down in defeat in November.

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Post by specialties » Jul Sat 23, 2016 9:56 am

Come, let us reason together...


In this case many would prefer to defer to the u.n.


They have already addressed this dilemma and have forwarded recomendations to our president...


That is all!!
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Post by Bridges » Jul Sat 23, 2016 6:12 pm

Vlad_Rap wrote:The Second Ammendment was expressly intended to help private citizens of this country fight off the threat of oppressive government. At the time of its creation that threat was from over seas.
Umm. There are a number of scholars who state that in fact the militias in question were Southern slave patrols.

http://www.truth-out.org/news/item/1389 ... ve-slavery
truth-out.org wrote:The Second Amendment Was Ratified to Preserve Slavery

The real reason the Second Amendment was ratified, and why it says "State" instead of "Country" (the framers knew the difference -- see the 10th Amendment), was to preserve the slave patrol militias in the southern states, which was necessary to get Virginia's vote. Founders Patrick Henry, George Mason and James Madison were totally clear on that... and we all should be too.

In the beginning, there were the militias. In the South, they were also called the "slave patrols," and they were regulated by the states.

In Georgia, for example, a generation before the American Revolution, laws were passed in 1755 and 1757 that required all plantation owners or their male white employees to be members of the Georgia Militia, and for those armed militia members to make monthly inspections of the quarters of all slaves in the state. The law defined which counties had which armed militias and even required armed militia members to keep a keen eye out for slaves who may be planning uprisings.

As Dr. Carl T. Bogus wrote for the University of California Law Review in 1998, "The Georgia statutes required patrols, under the direction of commissioned militia officers, to examine every plantation each month and authorized them to search 'all Negro Houses for offensive Weapons and Ammunition' and to apprehend and give twenty lashes to any slave found outside plantation grounds."
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Sally E. Haden, in her book Slave Patrols: Law and Violence in Virginia and the Carolinas, notes that, "Although eligibility for the Militia seemed all-encompassing, not every middle-aged white male Virginian or Carolinian became a slave patroller." There were exemptions so "men in critical professions" like judges, legislators and students could stay at their work. Generally, though, she documents how most southern men between ages 18 and 45 -- including physicians and ministers -- had to serve on slave patrol in the militia at one time or another in their lives.

And slave rebellions were keeping the slave patrols busy.

By the time the US Constitution was ratified, hundreds of substantial slave uprisings had occurred across the South. Blacks outnumbered whites in large areas, and the state militias were used to both prevent and to put down slave uprisings. As Dr. Bogus points out, slavery can only exist in the context of a police state, and the enforcement of that police state was the explicit job of the militias.
Rather ironic, since paranoid nutcases like vlad-rap seem to greatly fear a police state, and think their right to bear AR-15s is the only thing staving that off. :shock:
vlad_rap wrote:Regardless of what they tell us initially those, like Maura Healy, who perpetuate this threat will eventually send our own police to the private homes of Massachusetts citizens armed with the same type of firearms they seek to take from us. At first they will seek AR 15s and AK 47s. Next year it will be all magazine fed firearms including hand guns. Again, the final goal is to disarm us - entirely.
The idea that you need to arm yourself to prevent government oppression is so paranoid and absurd, it's beyond laughable.

Let me clue you in. The most you can legally own is a semi-automatic rifle. Or a few of them. '
The government you seem to fear so much (remember, the government ELECTED by the people, and FOR the people) has: tanks, bombers, fighter aircraft, chemical weapons...I'll see all the AR-15s you got, and raise you one nuclear warhead.

Seriously - if the government wanted to oppress you (and that could never happen), there would not be a damn thing you could do so stop it - even if you had 1000 AR-15s in your cellar. Your paranoia knows no bounds - we've seen that from your past screeds.

Private citizens had plenty of weapons in Saddam Hussein's Iraq. Yet they were still very much oppressed by his government.
Private citizens have plenty of weapons in Vladimir Putin's Russia. They can even open carry now. Yet it is a sham of a democracy.

Get a clue, Vlad. Guns don't do squat to protect you from your own government in the modern world. And sane folks realize that in the USA, we don't need protection from our own government.

Here - this one's for you, Vlad:
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Post by JIMD » Jul Sat 23, 2016 6:22 pm

mm. There are a number of scholars who state that in fact the militias in question were Southern slave patrols.

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Post by JIMD » Jul Sat 23, 2016 6:32 pm

The government you seem to fear so much (remember, the government ELECTED by the people, and FOR the people) has: tanks, bombers, fighter aircraft, chemical weapons...I'll see all the AR-15s you got, and raise you one nuclear warhead.


All liberals make the this mistake they assume the military rank an file will follows orders. Well they won't , when the poop hits the fan countless Airmen, Marines, Sailors and Solders will side with the good guys when the time comes. Enough could turn to make the difference. The desk Jockeys and admin types will be on the side that pays them, true warriors will prevail
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Post by Bridges » Jul Sat 23, 2016 6:49 pm

Yeah. So if that is true, then why do YOU need an AR-15?
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Post by JIMD » Jul Sun 24, 2016 5:32 am

Liberal's show their true colors when this issue come up, They'll have some other people do the fighting for them, chickens all of you.Do you think Southern boys would side with Barry or some other socialist president if he was order attacks on American Civilians.

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Post by JIMD » Jul Sun 24, 2016 6:12 am

Funny story

I did go to the rally at the state house yesterday, then in the evening went to see Neko Case, k.d. lang and Laura Veirs performing as a trio. I'll tell you the two crowds could not have been more politically different, total opposites. KD lang did say she was moving to Canada in four months so that was good news.


In addition do you think Black Servicemen would follow the orders of some racist who ordered attacks on Black neighborhoods.
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Post by specialties » Jul Sun 24, 2016 6:30 am

Goofy drawers,

Your democratically controlled slavers suffered a major setback when a republican named Abe won freedom for slaves...
Get used to it...

And dollars to dog-nuts say that the recent cop assignations were performed by democrat sharp shooters...
And that goes for the democrat-homophobe who shot up Orlando...
You still suck...

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Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Sun 24, 2016 9:16 am

The Globe mentions as many times as possible how Healy is being backed by Charley Baker. SO WHAT! The Governor does not have the authority to change the interpretation of laws any more than does the Attorney General.

Maura Healy is trying to unilaterally change a precedent that has stood for eighteen years!

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Post by MCasper » Jul Sun 24, 2016 1:46 pm

Bridges wrote:Yeah. ... why do YOU need an AR-15?
That is the question asked by the authoritarian.
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Post by JIMD » Jul Sun 24, 2016 2:15 pm

Bridges why do YOU need air conditioning

You're only harming the environment

John Kerry says so
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Post by Bridges » Jul Sun 24, 2016 2:33 pm

I only have AC in one room, and seldom use it.

But I tell u what...I will happily give it up for rest of my life, in exchange for assault weapon ban.

Deal?
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Post by MCasper » Jul Sun 24, 2016 4:09 pm

Bridges wrote:I only have AC in one room, and seldom use it.

But I tell u what...I will happily give it up for rest of my life, in exchange for assault weapon ban.

Deal?
Of course you will.
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Bridges wrote:I only have AC in one room, and seldom use it.

But I tell u what...I will happily give it up for rest of my life, in exchange for assault weapon ban.

Deal?
Since the assault weapons ban had absolutely no impact on the murder rate in this country, what is the point?

The AG is targeting semi automatic weapons, according to the FBI, Semi Automatic weapons have been involved in 2 of the 800 murders committed in Mass between 2010 and 2014, you do have to ask yourself whats the point?
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Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Sun 24, 2016 4:42 pm

Rather ironic, since paranoid nutcases like vlad-rap seem to greatly fear a police state, and think their right to bear AR-15s is the only thing staving that off. :shock:
The idea that you need to arm yourself to prevent government oppression is so paranoid and absurd, it's beyond laughable.
In 1915 3/4 or 1.5 million of the Armenian people were annihilated by their government after firearm confiscation

In the early 1930s the Soviet Union confiscated the firearms of the people of Ukraine Kulaks then Stalin starved 10 million to death while greatly increasing Soviet export of agricultural goods

In 1937 - 1949 after forbidding any gun ownership Mao Zedong systematically wipes out as many as 100 million of his own people

In 1938 In Nazi Germany after forbidding Jews possession any firearms or sharp edged weapons. Over 5 million Jews, 11 million total, perished in Nazi concentration camps

In 1975 super strict laws governing firearms allowed Pol Pot of Cambodia to herd the entire population into state run camps where they murder 2.5 million defenseless people.

Most of the slaughter of the 20th century was committed by the governments of the victims always after disarming them. But this kind of thing could never happen here. We have rights! That is until the day some ambitious bureaucrat looking for a cabinet posting contrives a way to take them from your passive ass

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I yield my time to Allan.. “Foolish liberals who are trying to read the Second Amendment out of the Constitution by claiming it's not an individual right or that it's too much of a public safety hazard, don't see the danger in the big picture. They're courting disaster by encouraging others to use the same means to eliminate portions of the Constitution they don't like.”
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Post by Bridges » Jul Sun 24, 2016 5:41 pm

Poll after poll is showing increased support for assault weapon bans. The fact that they seem to constantly be the weapon of choice in mass killings, is not helping your cause.

This will keep happening, of course, and public opinion will keep swinging away from you. A ban is only a matter of time.

I was 100% correct on gay marriage - now the law of the land, and happened even quicker than I expected.

I will be proven correct on this too, as the constant stream of mass murder incidents is turning public opinion against you. Sit back and watch...
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Post by JIMD » Jul Sun 24, 2016 5:47 pm

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07 ... -isis.html

You're a killer, poll after poll with liberal democrats say you are a killer. Your AC has killed more people then all the AR's in MA
What about trucks, they cause carnage too. Ban them?

If trucks are the weapon of choice in the next 3 Muslim attacks, do you want to Ban trucks, only 1/2 ton pick ups are ok?
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JIMD wrote:http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07 ... -isis.html

You're a killer, poll after poll with liberal democrats say you are a killer. Your AC has killed more people then all the AR's in MA
What about trucks, they cause carnage too. Ban them?

If trucks are the weapon of choice in the next 3 Muslim attacks, do you want to Ban trucks, only 1/2 ton pick ups are ok?
You're spewing nonsense, I am telling you facts. The tide of public opinion is turning against you, and it's plainly obvious why.
These weapons pop up over and over in mass slaughter situations.

Once public opinion turns against you (and it has), you are sunk. And look, we all can see the trends for these slaughters - they seem to be happening on a regular basis. That keeps negative attention on the issue, and it dooms you as far as public opinion. You KNOW I am right on this point - you'll just never admit it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... t-weapons/
Washington Post June 2015 wrote:Public support for a nationwide ban on assault weapons has jumped sharply after a gunman used a semi-automatic assault rifle to kill 49 people Sunday at a gay nightclub in Orlando.

According to a new CBS News poll conducted in the days following the shooting, 57 percent of Americans now say they support a nationwide ban on assault weapons. That’s up 13 percentage points from the 44 percent support for a ban that the same poll showed in December.
Suffolk University/USA Today. June 26-29, 2016. N=1,000 likely voters nationwide. Margin of error ± 3.

"Hillary Clinton has called for a ban on assault weapons. Do you support or oppose this idea?"
Dates Support Oppose Unsure Refused
6/26-29/16 56 34 8 2
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Post by JIMD » Jul Sun 24, 2016 7:18 pm

It wont happen. congress wont pass, states will refuse.

Paul Ryan is on his way out, conservatives will thwart the effort
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Post by MCasper » Jul Sun 24, 2016 8:01 pm

Bridges wrote:Poll after poll is showing increased support for assault weapon bans. The fact that they seem to constantly be the weapon of choice in mass killings, is not helping your cause....
There is increased (now majority) support for banning Muslims. OK if we use the polls on that issue? The facts that Muslims keep killing with Trucks, bombs, machetes and even with high powered weapons in gun-free countries isn't helping your cause any.
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Post by Bridges » Jul Sun 24, 2016 8:30 pm

BS:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... _resp.html

The recent Munich attack had NOTHING to do with ISIS or Islam.
MANY big domestic attacks (Sandy Hook, Columbine, Aurora CO, VA Tech, and a slew of others) had nothing to do with the Islam either.

That trend will continue - we will keep seeing these big attacks, perpetrated by psychos with easy access to guns and assault rifles.
And many will have NOTHING to do with ISIS or Islam.
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Post by MCasper » Jul Mon 25, 2016 6:16 am

Bridges wrote:I only have AC in one room, and seldom use it.

But I tell u what...I will happily give it up for rest of my life, in exchange for assault weapon ban.

Deal?

You better!
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Bridges wrote:BS:

http://www.nj.com/politics/index.ssf/20 ... _resp.html

The recent Munich attack had NOTHING to do with ISIS or Islam.
MANY big domestic attacks (Sandy Hook, Columbine, Aurora CO, VA Tech, and a slew of others) had nothing to do with the Islam either.

That trend will continue - we will keep seeing these big attacks, perpetrated by psychos with easy access to guns and assault rifles.
And many will have NOTHING to do with ISIS or Islam.
Just happen to all be Muslim? Got it.
AT LEAST 12 people have been injured after a Syrian asylum seeker blew himself up outside a wine bar in Germany.
German machete attack: Syrian refugee kills woman and injures two others in Reutlingen
Germany: Muslim migrant screaming “Allahu akbar” injures 18 people ...
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Post by JIMD » Jul Mon 25, 2016 7:13 am

The recent Munich attack had NOTHING to do with ISIS or Islam.

If that's the case why did the newspapers not publish his full name, they removed Ali from his name. Even when it's not about Islam the liberals make it about Islam
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JIMD wrote:The recent Munich attack had NOTHING to do with ISIS or Islam.

If that's the case why did the newspapers not publish his full name, they removed Ali from his name. Even when it's not about Islam the liberals make it about Islam
Yeah, what could have ever given them that idea?
THE Munich gunman shot children in a McDonald’s restaurant while shouting ‘Allahu Akbar’, according to a horrifying eyewitness account.

The shooter loaded his weapon in the bathroom before walking out and massacring those inside, it is claimed.

German authorities have so far avoided linking the gun attack to a Jihadist plot.

However, the witness claims she heard the gunman scream 'Allahu Akbar', meaning 'God is Great' -- a phrase often used by Jihadists.
Lauretta said she was sure the attacker yelled the phrase because she is a practising Muslim.

"I hear this and I only cry", she said.
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Those are funny funny movies.
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Post by MCasper » Jul Tue 26, 2016 12:55 pm

19 dead, 45 injured ... Not the USA ... Not an "assault" rifle ... not even a gun?
At least 19 people have been killed and 45 wounded in Japan after a knifeman went on the rampage.

Satoshi Uematsu, 26, turned himself in following the stabbing spree in Sagamihara...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ad-8492641
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Post by HokieAl » Jul Tue 26, 2016 3:25 pm

MCasper wrote:19 dead, 45 injured ... Not the USA ... Not an "assault" rifle ... not even a gun?
At least 19 people have been killed and 45 wounded in Japan after a knifeman went on the rampage.

Satoshi Uematsu, 26, turned himself in following the stabbing spree in Sagamihara...

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news ... ad-8492641
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Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Wed 27, 2016 6:14 pm

The idea that you need to arm yourself to prevent government oppression is so paranoid and absurd, it's beyond laughable.

Let me clue you in. The most you can legally own is a semi-automatic rifle. Or a few of them. '
The government you seem to fear so much (remember, the government ELECTED by the people, and FOR the people) has: tanks, bombers, fighter aircraft, chemical weapons...I'll see all the AR-15s you got, and raise you one nuclear warhead.
The logic is mind boggling.

"ELECTED by the people" You sure about that? More likely "ELECTED" by elitist money and the DNC.

Paranoid. Not really - though I probably should be with so much hardware you say is pointed at my head. What is truly "ironic" is regardless of all that ordinance we are not safe at all. But what if that Orlando night club had not been a safe zone. It is likely that gunman would not even gone there and if he had would not have caused near the carnage he did. Probably would have gone to a church like that radical islamist we are hearing about today in France.

So why is Maura Healy trying to unilaterally force an interpretation of law down our throats in order to solve a problem that does not exist in Massachusetts? I'm sure you will come up with something strange , Budges. You always do

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Gun Control Facts You'll Never Hear



By Stephen Lendman
7-12-16

Very Interesting facts about gun control - which are NEVER discussed by media ...

There are 30,000 gun related deaths per year by firearms. That is not disputed. What is never shown, though, is a breakdown of those deaths to put them in perspective, as compared to other causes of death.

• 65% of those deaths are by suicide, which would never be prevented by gun laws • 15% are by law enforcement in the line of duty and mostly justified • 17% are through criminal activity, gang and drug related or mentally ill persons • 3% are accidental discharge deaths

So technically, "gun violence" is not 30,000 annually, but drops to 5,100 (0.17 x 30,000).

Still too many? Well, first, how are those deaths spanned across the nation?
• 480 homicides (9.4%) were in Chicago
• 344 homicides (6.7%) were in Baltimore
• 333 homicides (6.5%) were in Detroit
• 119 homicides (2.3%) were in Washington DC (a 54% increase over prior years)

So basically, 25% of all gun crime happens in just 4 cities. All 4 of those cities have strict gun laws, so it is not the lack of law that is the root cause. This basically leaves 3,825 for the entire rest of the nation or about 75 per state. That is an average because some states have much higher rates than others. For example, California had 1,169 and Alabama had 1.

Now, who has the strictest gun laws by far? California, of course, but understand, it is not the tool (guns) driving this. It is a crime rate spawned by the number of criminal persons residing in those cities and states. So, if all cities and states are not created equal, then there must be something other than the tool causing the gun deaths.

Are 5,100 deaths per year horrific? How about in comparison to other deaths?

All death is sad and especially so when it is in the commission of a crime, but that is the nature of crime. Robbery, death, rape, assault; all are done by criminals to victims and thinking that criminals will obey laws is ludicrous. That's why they are criminals.

But what of other deaths? • 40,000+ die from a drug overdose ­ THERE IS NO EXCUSE FOR THAT! · 36,000 people die per year from the flu, far exceeding the criminal gun deaths • 34,000 people die per year in traffic fatalities (exceeding gun deaths, even if you include suicide)

Now it gets good

200,000+ people die each year (and growing) from preventable medical malpractice. • You are safer in Chicago than you are in a hospital! • 710,000 people die per year from heart disease. Time to stop the cheeseburgers!

So what is the point? If Obama and the anti-gun movement focused their attention on heart disease, even a 10% decrease would save twice the lives annually of all gun related deaths (including suicide, law enforcement, etc.).

A 10% reduction in malpractice would be 66% of the total gun deaths or 4 times the number of criminal homicides. Simple, easily preventable 10% reductions! So you have to ask yourself, in the grand scheme of things, why the focus on guns? - See more at:Gun Control Facts You'll Never Hear

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Now, let's compare the 'good guys guns' vs. illegals and illegal guns!!!
Or a FREE state vs. no gun dictator states...

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Post by JIMD » Jul Thu 28, 2016 6:06 am

There will be another rally at the state house this Saturday from 12-2pm, for information go to goal.org. The plan is to go inside and speak with the representatives


Boston police estimated 5,000 people attended last Saturdays rally. Most of the participants were carrying so they could not go inside and speak with the representatives
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Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Thu 28, 2016 5:42 pm

Umm. There are a number of scholars who state that in fact the militias in question were Southern slave patrols.
As Dr. Bogus points out, slavery can only exist in the context of a police state, and the enforcement of that police state was the explicit job of the militias.
Dr Bogus? Really?

"Police State"! Sure hope Bamo doesn't declare martial law before his term ends. It seems he does not loose an oppurtunity to agitate things up to that end. Maybe he'll wait to see what the polls tell him just before election day.

A little twist of definitions here and a little exaggeration there and you can come up with a rationalization for just about anything. There probably were instances of bands of armed men roaming southern states causing great harm to blacks living there at the time. To conclude these bands ,which Bogus cleverly redefines as "militia", were the direct result of the Second Ammendment or to conclude all the ratifiers of the Bill of Rights, which includes all southerners and northern abolutionists, intended the amendment to be a means of control of slaves is laughable, paranoid, and only too typical of the twisted thinking we find coming from those who once called themselves liberal.

"Ironically" things may have turned out far different had the slaves had not been disarmed by the government existing at the time.

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Re: Gun Ban

Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Fri 29, 2016 11:59 am

There will be another rally at the state house this Saturday from 12-2pm, for information go to goal.org. The plan is to go inside and speak with the representatives

Boston police estimated 5,000 people attended last Saturdays rally. Most of the participants were carrying so they could not go inside and speak with the representatives
A far cry from the few hundred reported by our mainstream media.

We can also contact our state gov. representatives

O'Connor, Patrick
(Patrick M. OConnor)
Room 520 617-722-1646 Patrick.O'Connor@masenate.gov


Cantwell, James
(James M. Cantwell)
House D Room22 617-722-2140 James.Cantwell@mahouse.gov

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Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Fri 29, 2016 2:58 pm

From "Comments" on article...
http://www.masslive.com/politics/index. ... rneys.html
by LongPatriot...
1) "Massachusetts already bans the sale of assault weapons and copies or duplicates of assault weapons." If it's a "copy" or a "duplicate" it's the same. If it just LOOKS the same, it's different. Much like the misnomer "assault" weapon, "copycat assault weapon" is another meaningless term. None of the firearms at issue are automatic. They are, as has oft been explained, semi-automatic (meaning 1 shot from one trigger pull).

2) "But, according to Healey, some gun manufacturers made guns that were very similar to assault weapons but with small changes". Yes, the "small changes" were to address all the COSMETIC restrictions that previous AG's had decided make the firearm an "assault weapon" (even though they weren't, they just LOOKED the same). This is exactly the argument that law-abiding gun owners have been making. NONE of the "features" that the bureaucrats decided make something an "assault" weapon changed HOW the firearm functions. The manufacturers complied with the law as written (i.e., no bayonet lug, no adjustable stock, etc.).


3) Her "reinterpretation", taken as written, encompasses ALL semi-automatic firearms, including pistols designed well over 100 years ago, as they all function essentially the same. Will she or some future AG "interpret" revolvers to be "assault pistols"? They are after all one shot from one trigger pull.


4) Her "magnanimous" decision to not prosecute legal gun owners "at this time" only tells me that we're waiting for the other shoe to drop when she or some future AG decides otherwise.


5) She has at her disposal a toolbox full of gun laws that if applied to the actual criminals could be used to put them away for decades, saving many lives. Instead of prosecuting those crimes, they are plea-bargained away and she focuses on stripping law-abiding citizens of their rights.
While states may write their own gun laws no state can write any law which undermines civil rights granted in the Constitution. Maura Healy is one bureaucrat, not a state legislature, and so cannot write or re-write any laws. Here is a description of a Massachusetts Attorney General's duties...
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Ballot Text and Legality:

Unlike most states which mandate that proponents of an initiative must first file with the secretary of state, Massachusetts guidelines require that a ballot first be submitted to the attorney general.

At least 10 qualified voters must submit their contact information, certificate of voter registration and the full text of the ballot.

The attorney general bears the responsibility of determining whether the petition is an acceptable subject of the initiative, and if so, he or she prepares a concise summary and returns this summary and the proposed law to the petitioners. If the attorney general determines the petition relates to an excluded matter, the petition is disallowed.

If the ballot passes review, it will then be returned to the proponents who may then submit it to the secretary of commonwealth (also known as the secretary of state)
Not even the Governor can reinterpret 18 years of precedent to suit his whim.

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Re: Gun Ban

Post by Vlad_Rap » Jul Sun 31, 2016 4:20 pm

JIMD wrote
All liberals make the this mistake they assume the military rank an file will follows orders. Well they won't , when the poop hits the fan countless Airmen, Marines, Sailors and Solders will side with the good guys when the time comes. Enough could turn to make the difference. The desk Jockeys and admin types will be on the side that pays them, true warriors will prevail
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In this case many would prefer to defer to the u.n.


They have already addressed this dilemma and have forwarded recomendations to our president...
You may be onto something here. Allowing amnesty which would, in effect, dissolve our borders and would create a rationalization to allow the U.N. blue helmets in and....presto! Two birds with one stone. Nothing they would like better -no borders and a disarmed population.

The more I learn of the nature of power the more I tend to pay attention to what Budges would call "conspiracy theory." It's like land development here in Marshfield. You have to tell yourself , "If they can get away with it and there's no one there to stop them - they will do it !!" On a national level with due notice to her main campaign contributors does anyone really doubt where the real loyalties of these Hillary lackies,lay?

With due deference to the police I think they would be the last ones who would advocate the disarming of a law abiding populace. That would make their jobs exponentially more complicated.

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Re: Gun Ban

Post by specialties » Aug Mon 01, 2016 10:30 am

no borders and a disarmed population.
Well, we already have no borders but the sicco communists refuse to disarm the illegal and their illegal guns...

So another 500 Chicago souls fade in to history this quarter due to plantation ( management ) failure...
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