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Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 12, 2017 9:19 am
by Vlad_Rap
Wow! New low, huh Bobkat?
Panic , desperation, never pretty

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 12, 2017 1:36 pm
by specialties
I wunder if bobkat still likes SNL??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBUxNeXgC70

Will bobkat ever come right??

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 13, 2017 2:08 pm
by Eric K
How long does that show have left before it pulled of air for that skit?
I am sure Bobkat has already written a letter calling for the show to be cancelled. Then again, maybe he sent an email.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 14, 2017 5:03 pm
by Seahag
what is it you object to, Eric? don't tell me you are trying to defend Roy Moore.
and what does this have to do with the ZBA and/or Modera?

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Thu 16, 2017 6:09 pm
by Vlad_Rap
What kind of state government would demand its' towns to enter into a condition where its' residents would be compelled to accept contaminated drinking water? One of the biggest selling points to living in Marshfield is the quality of our drinking water. Our water comes from aquifers - the most vulnerable to 40B projects.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Thu 16, 2017 11:17 pm
by Joseph
Vlad_Rap wrote:
Nov Thu 16, 2017 6:09 pm
What kind of state government would demand its' towns to enter into a condition where its' residents would be compelled to accept contaminated drinking water? One of the biggest selling points to living in Marshfield is the quality of our drinking water. Our water comes from aquifers - the most vulnerable to 40B projects.
That's OK with the big 40B developers. They're not living anywhere around here. Besides, they drink Perrier. Or, when in the Caymans - rum drinks.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 3:26 am
by Eric K
Councillor in Quincy is proposing a higher tax rate for apts over 50 units.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 9:03 am
by bobkat
Vlad_Rap wrote:
Nov Thu 16, 2017 6:09 pm
What kind of state government would demand its' towns to enter into a condition where its' residents would be compelled to accept contaminated drinking water? One of the biggest selling points to living in Marshfield is the quality of our drinking water. Our water comes from aquifers - the most vulnerable to 40B projects.
Vlad_Rap please explain how towns are compelled to accept contaminated drinking water. You must know something that Mass DEP doesn't about our drinking water. As I asked Joseph P .I will ask would .What is your back ground or knowledge about potable water. Do you hold Drinking Water Operators license from the state of Massachusetts.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 11:35 am
by Vlad_Rap
Vlad_Rap please explain how towns are compelled to accept contaminated drinking water.
No. I already did. Trying to explain anything to you is like trying to explain something to, say, a small front end loader.
Your not here for explanations, Bobkat, any more than town government wants to hear input from town residents.

Company man.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 2:47 pm
by Seahag
What exactly does this 'councilor in Quincy' propose, Eric? if you don't mind telling us a little bit more about where you read it and what it has to do with us in Marshfield? don't quite follow your line of thinking.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 3:48 pm
by Vlad_Rap
Low cost units?? what are you talking about. the base 1 bedroom unit at Modera is $2,000+ a month.
Back even just a few years ago that 80% average income figure was much lower. Makes you wonder just how arbitrary that figure is and just who exactly is doing the figuring.

Another thing is - Aren't 40B apartments also be made available to people on state subsidized housing programs such as Sec 8?

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 4:48 pm
by Eric K
It was in yesterday's Patriot ledger Seahag. If I can post it I will. You may be able to look it up.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 4:50 pm
by bobkat
Vlad_Rap wrote:
Nov Sat 18, 2017 11:35 am
Vlad_Rap please explain how towns are compelled to accept contaminated drinking water.
No. I already did. Trying to explain anything to you is like trying to explain something to, say, a small front end loader.
Your not here for explanations, Bobkat, any more than town government wants to hear input from town residents.

Company man.
Vlad_Rap so you think I am a company man. Thats a good one. You have never explained any of your statements about the water in the town of Marshfield. You don't even know where the nearest well is located to this building site. I don't even think you live in Marshfield or you would know a lot more abut the site for this project. Please prove me wrong with your knowledge of water. I wait to be enlighten by you .Maybe you can give Joseph a call .

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sat 18, 2017 4:56 pm
by Eric K
QUINCY – Mayor Thomas Koch will not sign a proposal to tax large apartment buildings at higher rates than other homes, said Christopher Walker, a spokesman for the mayor.
Ward 4 City Councilor Brian Palmucci’s proposal, which is scheduled for a public hearing Monday at 7:25 p.m. in city hall, would reclassify apartment buildings with more than 50 units as commercial property for tax purposes. That would double the amount they have to pay in taxes.

“Things on the surface that may seem terrific sometimes turn out not to be – and this is one of those things,” Walker said.

He said the higher taxes would drive up rents around Quincy.

“It would result in a dramatic spike in rent citywide, and that would be felt up and down the spectrum,” he said.

Palmucci, who represents South Quincy and West Quincy, disagreed. While it may increase rents in the apartments in question, he said, he’s fine with that as a means of keeping property taxes lower for homeowners.

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“When you give somebody a break, someone else has got to pay for it,” he said. “It balances (higher rent in luxury apartments) against making sure that seniors and middle-class families can afford their taxes.”

Palmucci said he doubts it will stifle development. However, he said the homeowners of Quincy have felt little benefit from all the construction around the city, so if it means that a couple of apartment buildings don’t get built that otherwise would, he wouldn’t be heartbroken, he said.

“If it does slow down development, do you think the people of Quincy will be upset?” he said. “I don’t.”

Residents will be allowed to comment on the proposal at Monday night’s meeting.

Palmucci said he plans to call for a vote after that on the proposal and two others about the tax code. One would expand a tax exemption for homeowners and the other would broaden an exemption for seniors who do volunteer work.

Palmucci said the current version of the proposal regarding the reclassification of apartment buildings does not have an exception for senior-living or affordable apartment buildings, so he or Ward 2 City Councilor Brad Croall, who pointed that issue out to him, likely will propose an amendment to add those exemptions during Monday night’s meeting.

This proposal is a home-rule petition, a piece of legislation that requires the approval of the council, the signature of the mayor, and then the approval of the Legislature and the governor. Home-rule petitions essentially amount to the city asking the state to allow it to skirt state law. Without Koch’s signature, the petition will not advance to the state level. The council can’t override the mayor’s veto for home-rule peitions.

Walker said the mayor’s office does not believe the legislation would make it at the state level.

“We don’t think the state is going to act on anything like this,” he said.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 19, 2017 8:42 am
by bobkat
Eric K really you are talking about apples and oranges. First in Quincy they have two tax rates and Second in Marshfield we only have one tax rate. You really have no idea how taxing property works.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 19, 2017 9:13 am
by Seahag
I don't believe that Affordable 40B housing means Section 8 housing, if that is what is really bothering you Vlad. Affordable is 80% of median income in the town. Right now, a 1 bedroom affordable at Modera or whatever they will call it, is $1, 276. That's a lot of money to rent an apartment!

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 19, 2017 2:12 pm
by Vlad_Rap
I don't believe that Affordable 40B housing means Section 8 housing, if that is what is really bothering you Vlad. Affordable is 80% of median income in the town. Right now, a 1 bedroom affordable at Modera or whatever they will call it, is $1, 276. That's a lot of money to rent an apartment!
In a marxist ,one party, state like Massachusetts, where nearly anything is impossible, why would you think for a minute affordable 40B housing would not be used as Section 8 housing? The important thing to the developer, and their friends in government, is that these apartments be filled with warm, Dem. voting bodies, as soon as possible.

A town manager type government will help a great deal in getting around any rules, regulations, or laws, that would get in the way. 40B has become a means to move toward a sanctuary state.

Laws are being tortuously twisted and interpreted for effect by all levels of government within the state.

What's the law to a swamp donkey?

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 19, 2017 2:47 pm
by Eric K
Bobkat,
I know how the current tax rate is set up in town so I do know how it works. Those are things that can be be adjusted. I talked about a special fee in town for apts. on show a while back in light of the Modera project and I like what the councillor in Quincy is on to.
It's a worth while discussion.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Sun 19, 2017 7:15 pm
by Seahag
ok Eric, run with it. let us know how it all turns out.

and by the way, what ever happened to your petition on ??? you were going to present to the DPW, I think? was it the enterprise accounts?

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 20, 2017 1:15 am
by Eric K
Seahag
I am holding off on submitting papers for the time being.
I feel submitting the signatures at this time would do more harm than good that would benefit the goals of others and not the ratepayer/taxpayer.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 20, 2017 8:21 am
by bobkat
Eric K wrote:
Nov Sun 19, 2017 2:47 pm
Bobkat,
I know how the current tax rate is set up in town so I do know how it works. Those are things that can be be adjusted.

I believe you do not know how the tax rate of $13.72 comes to life and how they come to that number for 2017. It can be explained easily .I waiting for it. Please explain how Prop 2 1/2 work ? Then if you can explain that maybe you might know how they come up with a tax rate .

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 20, 2017 12:41 pm
by Seahag
Eric, I guess I am supposed to read between the lines and figure out somehow what you are talking about and how not submitting your petition now would hurt the taxpayer/voters. How and why is that?

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 20, 2017 2:45 pm
by Eric K
Bobkat,
I meant that I know that there is a property tax for residents and one for business that in some if not most cities/towns can be higher.
To answer how you put it you would be correct I could not answer it, but I did go down to assessors office and the two workers who were very helpful told me it is to complex to explain. They did guide me where to look on the state website.
When I get a chance maybe I will look into it. I am sure it's interesting.
If you want to know let me know and I will give you info.

Seahag, not trying to break your stones but that's as far as I will explain.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 20, 2017 4:18 pm
by bobkat
Eric K wrote:
Nov Mon 20, 2017 2:45 pm
Bobkat,
I meant that I know that there is a property tax for residents and one for business that in some if not most cities/towns can be higher.
To answer how you put it you would be correct I could not answer it, but I did go down to assessors office and the two workers who were very helpful told me it is to complex to explain. They did guide me where to look on the state website.
When I get a chance maybe I will look into it. I am sure it's interesting.
If you want to know let me know and I will give you info.

Seahag, not trying to break your stones but that's as far as I will explain.
Eric K we only have one tax rate in Marshfield for everyone . Term you should be looking for is residential rate and commercial rate. I already know how the tax rate is driven by . Just to let you know Prop 2 1/2 is not directed at individuals but at a town or city . Your taxes can go up more than 2 1/2 % .

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Mon 20, 2017 6:25 pm
by Eric K
I believe going up beyond 2 1/2% would be called an over ride. Would that be correct?
Yes, I do know that residents and business/commercial have the same tax rate in town. You hear it every year that there will be no changes to tax rates between residents and business.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 7:24 am
by Vlad_Rap
Factoid - Little mundane bits of information, usually remotely related to, or surrounding, the topic at hand. Factoids are often true, or have elements of truth, but are also often used to distract from the real topic. Those using the bait and switch tactic in an argument will often come back using a factoid as the switch part of the ploy.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 7:40 am
by bobkat
Vlad_Rap wrote:
Nov Tue 21, 2017 7:24 am
Factoid - Little mundane bits of information, usually remotely related to, or surrounding, the topic at hand. Factoids are often true, or have elements of truth, but are also often used to distract from the real topic. Those using the bait and switch tactic in an argument will often come back using a factoid as the switch part of the ploy.
Vlad_Rap no bait or switch here. What we know is that you know nothing about potable water and the building site. Do you know what PUD is? The area is zoned for PUD. You should come to Marshfield and visit someday because you sure don't live here.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 8:16 am
by Seahag
To Eric, you should have thought it through before you went about collecting signatures for a petition that is going nowhere.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 9:30 am
by Vlad_Rap
More Factoids - by the factoid king...
What we know is that you know nothing about potable water and the building site. Do you know what PUD is? The area is zoned for PUD. You should come to Marshfield and visit someday because you sure don't live here.
I believe going up beyond 2 1/2% would be called an over ride. Would that be correct?
Yes, I do know that residents and business/commercial have the same tax rate in town. You hear it every year that there will be no changes to tax rates between residents and business.
You don't even know where the nearest well is located to this building site. I don't even think you live in Marshfield or you would know a lot more abut the site for this project. Please prove me wrong with your knowledge of water. I wait to be enlighten by you .Maybe you can give Joseph a call .
Vlad_Rap please explain how towns are compelled to accept contaminated drinking water. You must know something that Mass DEP doesn't about our drinking water. As I asked Joseph P .I will ask would .What is your back ground or knowledge about potable water. Do you hold Drinking Water Operators license from the state of Massachusetts.
As you read these you have to ask yourself what any of this has to do with how 40Bs effect the quality of life in any town - including how 40Bs effect the qualtity of water. How this is particularly in a town, where Bobkat admits, depends entirely on its aquifers and that they are everywhere. Do these factoid posts clarify or obscure the issue?
https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/ser ... che=201463
Bobkat - why don't you call Seahag. She's much better at running interference for town government than you are.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 9:35 am
by Eric K
I did think it through. That's why I have not turned them in yet. You can collect signatures if you want. Don't let me stop you. It only takes 25.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 9:46 am
by Seahag
you completely missed the point. I have no interest. in collecting signatures.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Tue 21, 2017 10:18 am
by Vlad_Rap
yawn

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Wed 22, 2017 10:29 am
by Vlad_Rap
40Bs change towns -never for the better. Strong Manager type town government make 40Bs happen faster by enforcing the state agenda. The Massachusetts state government agenda is Marxist. So if you like your town at all you should vote to keep our Traditional Open Town Meeting. Don't compromise with Representative Town Meeting. To compromise in a one party state is to capitulate. There is still a lot we can do to improve what we already have without giving up rights and control.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Wed 22, 2017 5:13 pm
by bobkat
Vlad_Rap wrote:
Nov Wed 22, 2017 10:29 am
40Bs change towns -never for the better. Strong Manager type town government make 40Bs happen faster by enforcing the state agenda. The Massachusetts state government agenda is Marxist. So if you like your town at all you should vote to keep our Traditional Open Town Meeting. Don't compromise with Representative Town Meeting. To compromise in a one party state is to capitulate. There is still a lot we can do to improve what we already have without giving up rights and control.
Vlad_Rap since you know what is best for Marshfield .Would please explain how Pembroke has met it's quota and the town hasn't change.

Re: Zoning board approves Modera

Posted: Nov Wed 22, 2017 10:15 pm
by Joseph
How does bobkat know that Pembroke "hasn't change" with the 40B's?

I guess the same way he knows anything else - he doesn't.